RAW used to take shots at former stars?

[Tired]

The word coming out of Raw is that the script was writing to insult former stars; specifically CM Punk and Jim Ross.

Triple H is still mad at Punk for walking out of the company. As we have reported so many times, Punk got frustrated with the direction the company was taking, Vince McMahon repeatedly going back on promises and WWE constantly refusing to let him take time off to heal from his injuries. It was reported that Punk wanted to headline WrestleMania just once before officially retiring later this year. However, when Punk found out the plan was for him to face Triple H at WrestleMania XXX instead, Punk was livid. As Triple H is no longer a full-time active star, putting Triple H over would be pointless and would not advance the company in any way. While Vince has been trying to convince Punk to come back, Triple H feels insulted by Punk and doesn't want him back.

The rumour is that his girlfriend A.J. Lee is being punished to send a message to Punk. This is believed to be the reason why Nikki Bella (John Cena's girlfriend) was made to look strong over A.J. There was also a rumour that A.J. will be losing the Diva's championship to Natalya* and kept off WrestleMania.

*Note: I do not know how Main Event went, and I have not read the spoilers. All I know is that A.J. was advertised as defending the Diva's championship against Natalya for several days.

Jim Ross is being punished for telling an embarrasing story about Vince. During the show, JBL openly praised Vince's colour commentary skills before insulting J.R. It is no secret that Vince uses JBL to insult people on his behalf on television or pay-per-view. Jerry Lawler was clearly uncomfortable with the segment due to Lawler and Ross being real life friends.

Ross claimed (during a radio interview) that Gerald Brisco was feeling ill one night. Vince then farted in Brisco's face, but "followed through". Vince was unable to change as he was about to go live on air. Ross claimed that Vince had a noticable brown stain on his pants, but the camera crew were too scared to focus on it.

 

[Deleted User]

<blockquote class='quote\\_blockquote'><dl><dt>Quote:</dt><dd> </dd></dl><div>The rumour is that his girlfriend A.J. Lee is being punished to send a message to Punk. This is believed to be the reason why Nikki Bella (John Cena's girlfriend) was made to look strong over A.J. There was also a rumour that A.J. will be losing the Diva's championship to Natalya* and kept off WrestleMania.[/quote]

She isn't being punished at all. Heel champions lose on cable all the time. I also doubt Vince listens to JR's podcast, just sayin'. They've made JR jokes before any of this.

I also still honestly believe Punk never left and it's a work.

 

[tolstola23]

wwe is so spiteful in my opinion I dont blame cm punk for leaving the company

 

[Tired]

To be honest, I believe the thing about J.R. and Vince to be true. But the A.J. Lee thing may be exaggerated. There was NEVER a plan for her to hold the Divas title for as long as she had. She was always going to lose the title to one of the Total Divas, but the WWE kept going around in circles over which one should do it, and when. The fact that A.J. became the longest running champion was a mistake that turned good. She has held the title for so long that her inevitable loss will look like a punishment. Even if Madison Rayne, the current TNA Knockout Champion, showed up at WrestleMania and beat A.J. for the title after an even 60 minute match, it will still look like A.J. was being punished.

 

[KWG]

wwe is so spiteful in my opinion I dont blame cm punk for leaving the company

Guys like Tyson Kidd that CM Punk talks soo much about how he deserves a push would love to have such a high profile match even if he was going to lose.

Philip Brooks has his point,but he's being quite of an asshole.

 

[Deleted User]

Still think it's a work.

Punk wouldn't walk out on Wrestlemania.

 

[Tired]

Punk won Money In The Bank at WrestleMania... TWICE!
He defended the WWE Championship against Chris Jericho at WrestleMania.
He took on the Undertaker at WrestleMania.

Facing a retired Triple H, who doesn't want to put him over, is not nearly as big. Heck, jobbing to Randy Orton was a bigger deal. Punk has nothing to go back for. IF he was added to the main event, then that is a different issue.

 

[KWG]

<blockquote class='quote\\_blockquote'><dl><dt>The Reverend</dt><dd>Mar 14 2014, 10:43:58 AM</dd></dl><div>Punk won Money In The Bank at WrestleMania... TWICE!
He defended the WWE Championship against Chris Jericho at WrestleMania.
He took on the Undertaker at WrestleMania.

Facing a retired Triple H, who doesn't want to put him over, is not nearly as big. Heck, jobbing to Randy Orton was a bigger deal. Punk has nothing to go back for. IF he was added to the main event, then that is a different issue.
[/quote]Both MITB matches and Orton matches are smaller deals than to having a match with HHH.

Also why is he so mad,it won't hurt his popularity,unlike D-Bry losing to HHH,which was a result of Punk being an asshole.

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Anyway,my opinion is the same as Ken Shamrock,Punk is being a Spoiled Brat.

 

[Deleted User]

Work.

 

[CRW&#39;s TKS]

I also still honestly believe Punk never left and it's a work.

If you aren't being sarcastic, it's more appropriate for everyone to finally admit that they have no idea what's happening behind the scenes in wrestling given how many reports are complete bullshit. I won't jump to either side on that one. I'm annoyed by how many people said he would be back in Chicago. The level of certainty to that seems ridiculous and it never ends. I know this is drifting off subject of that, but I was so annoyed when everyone said CM Punk and Daniel Bryan wouldn't get pushed when they were hired. It might be a work, but right now nobody can confirm that to justify believing it. I mean, if they cancelled Punk's @midnight appearance on Comedy Central, had him on Chris Hardwick's other show Talking Dead under his real name, then that might be implying Chris Hardwick is in on the work, in which case holy shit what the fuck and touché. I TRUST NO ONE!!

edit: Sorry for being a sour puss poop pants. I have always been a very skeptical person.

 

[Deleted User]

Like I said at CRW, my man, it;s just too perfect of a scenario. It seriously is.

Punk's going to steal Bryan's moment at Wrestlemania and be a glorious heel.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, however, I've noticed that whether or not my expectations are met in wrestling, as long as I go into it with my best attitude forward it usually pays off. Even when i don't get what I want, I find myself having more fun with it.

For a long time I loved to be the most negative guy about wrestling, I was a complete cynic because is could easy sit from my couch and book better stuff. Seriously.

Well, I could if the wrestlers weren't actually people with different temperaments, egos, personality clashes and drive. On top of that, I'd also have to deal with literally hundreds of employees, share-holders, advertising lobbiests, and even more shit on top of that.

I can completely understand why a guy like John Cena gets the push he does. You need reliability, work ethic, and safety more than you need the next guy that's hot at the moment.

Take Dolph Ziggler: phenomenal talent, but I imagine he's probably pretty difficult to deal with backstage. Sure, he can sell anything and is incredibly athletic, but I can see him being quite the ego to keep in reign. He's probably lost his push because of his mouth. Nothing too controversial, but I bet he decided to let his ego make a check his body couldn't cash.

Fuck being a booker, I would hire my friends, too. Especially the ones that always showed up for work, that will get up at 5 AM to meet the press and have 18 hour days 5 to 6 days a week.

Punk wouldn't ever be that guy. He doesn't want to be. However, let's say the original plan was for Punk to wrestle Trips at mania, Punk would go over, period. Even Triple H isn't that blind, Punk already did the job for him, and Triple H was going to pass the torch.

See how it doesn't make sense? See how all this crap since Summerslam seems to almost be too bad to be true? I mean, MITB changed the whole scope on how WWE would approach their stroylines, it had nearly EVERYONE fooled.

Punk did it, again, except he's going to show at Wrestlemania. They don't HAVE to hype him on Raw at all, because Wrestlemania has already sold itself because of the WWE Network. They know everyone is already going to be watching it, and they are going to use this new medium of showing PPVs to reveal less before airing, now that a large percentage of their audience is already subscribed for half a year at a time.

They don't have to tell stories the same way, anymore. The PPVs are already sold months ahead of time! I think we are in for an age that hosts the return of good old surprises and twists in wrestling for nearly ALL fans, even the "smart" ones.

Raven said it best: "Those fans are the best kind, because they are the easiest to fool. They think they know everything, they never see a swerve coming." That wasn't verbatim, but watch "Forever Hardcore" for the whole thing.

 

[CRW&#39;s TKS]

^Again, I wouldn't deny it and I wouldn't jump in on it. WWE's bookers don't always do the best things. I just generally don't see WWE's creative department being all that with it. There's no denying that Royal Rumble was a really poor event. Not like a good heat kind of bad, but a self destructive bad. The opening match stole the show, and the rest of the show robbed the audience. It's not even a matter of being an embarrassing smark that denies what's commercially good or being negative. It's about being more open to what possibilities there are. I thought I recalled you saying he would be back in Chicago unless I'm mistaken. I know they don't have to hype him on RAW, but that doesn't make your point stand stronger than everything from the censored chants on Smackdown, the confiscated signs, the @midnight cancellation, everyone saying he was going to walk out on several occasions in the past, and footage of him being edited out of Wrestlemania montages. You have two sides of supporting details and no evidence to lead up to a valid assumption. I don't see it as perfect of a scenario. It's a big "what if."

 

[Deleted User]

Admittedly I was swerved in Chicago, I never I was always right, I just don't believe he's gone.

Censored chants on Smackdown have been happening since 2009, that doesn't make me think any different. I'm not trying to rag on anyone's opinion, just trying to find a silver lining in what seems to be a very cynical time for a lot of WWE wrestling fans.

Personally, I do see it as the perfect storm, it's white heat. It's the kind of heat that has everyone reacting and talking. I haven't seen this kind of almost universal disappointment in a very long time, which is why I'm almost completely 100% certain we are going to get a great payoff.

All the things happening around Punk right now are just things that happened back in 2011, but on a larger scale. Think about his ROH departure. I mean, a big part of Punk's career is being old school. back in the day, wrestlers would lie to their family and friends to put something over. I think the case is similar here, too. Dave Melzter getting swerved and saying Punk will be on Raw added to it for me. It means someone in the back is fucking with the "smart" fans. Someone in the back knows which waters to test, and how to reign the line in.

Someone in the back has figured out how to keep the mystery again. I firmly believe this, because I am not a "smart" fan. I'm still a mark that thinks it's gonna be the biggest Wrestlemania ever, JR!!

 

[Warrior]

Like I said at CRW, my man, it;s just too perfect of a scenario. It seriously is.

Punk's going to steal Bryan's moment at Wrestlemania and be a glorious heel.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, however, I've noticed that whether or not my expectations are met in wrestling, as long as I go into it with my best attitude forward it usually pays off. Even when i don't get what I want, I find myself having more fun with it.

For a long time I loved to be the most negative guy about wrestling, I was a complete cynic because is could easy sit from my couch and book better stuff. Seriously.

Well, I could if the wrestlers weren't actually people with different temperaments, egos, personality clashes and drive. On top of that, I'd also have to deal with literally hundreds of employees, share-holders, advertising lobbiests, and even more shit on top of that.

I can completely understand why a guy like John Cena gets the push he does. You need reliability, work ethic, and safety more than you need the next guy that's hot at the moment.

Take Dolph Ziggler: phenomenal talent, but I imagine he's probably pretty difficult to deal with backstage. Sure, he can sell anything and is incredibly athletic, but I can see him being quite the ego to keep in reign. He's probably lost his push because of his mouth. Nothing too controversial, but I bet he decided to let his ego make a check his body couldn't cash.

Fuck being a booker, I would hire my friends, too. Especially the ones that always showed up for work, that will get up at 5 AM to meet the press and have 18 hour days 5 to 6 days a week.

Punk wouldn't ever be that guy. He doesn't want to be. However, let's say the original plan was for Punk to wrestle Trips at mania, Punk would go over, period. Even Triple H isn't that blind, Punk already did the job for him, and Triple H was going to pass the torch.

See how it doesn't make sense? See how all this crap since Summerslam seems to almost be too bad to be true? I mean, MITB changed the whole scope on how WWE would approach their stroylines, it had nearly EVERYONE fooled.

Punk did it, again, except he's going to show at Wrestlemania. They don't HAVE to hype him on Raw at all, because Wrestlemania has already sold itself because of the WWE Network. They know everyone is already going to be watching it, and they are going to use this new medium of showing PPVs to reveal less before airing, now that a large percentage of their audience is already subscribed for half a year at a time.

They don't have to tell stories the same way, anymore. The PPVs are already sold months ahead of time! I think we are in for an age that hosts the return of good old surprises and twists in wrestling for nearly ALL fans, even the "smart" ones.

Raven said it best: "Those fans are the best kind, because they are the easiest to fool. They think they know everything, they never see a swerve coming." That wasn't verbatim, but watch "Forever Hardcore" for the whole thing.

I was with you until you had that to say about Dolph. From what I understand, he's a great guy to work with, he's just spoken out against management and bad booking decisions, and repeatedly punished for those.

Sources: His Twitter (where he talked about the edited crowd reaction in his match against Batista)

He wrote back to me once telling me to do empty stomach cardio when I asked for advice. I think this was when he was WHC, and Punk has never written back to me. Take that for a grain of salt, but it's like statistics where I represent a sample of the population.

He also had the gimmick of shaking everybody's hand because he was so humble backstage.

Punk has always been anti-social, but has had more pull for him due to his pipebomb and Heyman.

 

[Deleted User]

I was with you until you had that to say about Dolph. From what I understand, he's a great guy to work with, he's just spoken out against management and bad booking decisions, and repeatedly punished for those.

That's my entire point. His mouth got him into trouble, if you have a problem with your boss, tell your boss. Keep it private. Never in a single time in wrestling history has this ever helped anyone when they go public with their grievances. This includes Steve Austin.

I love Dolph, but he messed up by taking this unprofessional route. It's completely his own fault for deciding to go public with his complaints. When Punk did it, it was part of the story.

edit: Punk was the nicest guy ever when I met him.

 

[CRW&#39;s TKS]

I love Dolph, but he messed up by taking this unprofessional route. It's completely his own fault for deciding to go public with his complaints. When Punk did it, it was part of the story.

You mean you believe it was. :nod:

 

[Deleted User]

No, it was part of the story, even in Punk's DVD he states he was told he was going to be allowed to air his grievances.

It's called a "worked shoot", Paul E and Joey Styles both had these, and they were both fantastic, but still part of the story.

 

[The NekoMancer]

What if he was told to say he was told to do it?