The new way

[Deleted User]

No more bitching about "thieves".

We illegally mod wrestling games using textures we didn't create, and I'm done with the petty squabbling.

It doesn't matter what resources anyone uses, if you really are half as good as you want the internet to believe, you can deal with a level playing ground.

Until someone that makes the textures from any of these WWE, TNA, and other wrestling games show up to call us thieves, I'm not going to seriously consider anyone else's complaints about "thieves".

I've yet to see one single modding project on this site that doesn't steal from other creators, and I no longer fucking care what resources people use.

If you are that damn good your work will speak for itself. However, talent can only objectively be measured on a level playing field.

So if other OSR staff want to warn you for "stealing" I can't stop them, but I'm done with people squabbling over things they don't own the intellectual properties for.

As far as I am concerned, anyone can use any textures they find for anything, give credit when you can, but I don't care either way.

If you are half as good as you think you are, you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Meh.]

I couldn't agree more.

Ultimately, if you've hand-painted the entirety of your mod base then that would be inheritance classed as yours. However, like CBV has said if you look at around all the mods in the history of No Mercy modding (mine included) we use textures from WWE/TNA/Other games for their torso, legs and so fourth which have been made by 'somebody else'. We're all passively using somebody else's work so it would be foolish to class that as your own.

In my personal opinion, texture usage shouldn't be an issue - if we can inspire others to develop mods/skins for No Mercy or whatever game and they end up using someones other mod textures as a base, then what's the issue? Because said person will most likely be inspired to then make their own bases and the circle continues.

 

[TSK]

I don't know but CBV, if someone steals your hard worked No Mercy mods, and doesn't give credit and posts it here, what will you do? Nothing? Ignore it? I can't say if I'm right or wrong, I agree and also disagree.... but you're all senior than me, so I gotta agree with it, you'll might be saying the right thing, though.

 

[Deleted User]

<blockquote class='quote\\_blockquote'><dl><dt>Professor Sultan</dt><dd>Feb 26 2014, 10:16:35 AM</dd></dl><div>I don't know but CBV, if someone steals your hard worked No Mercy mods, and doesn't give credit and posts it here, what will you do? Nothing? Ignore it? I can't say if I'm right or wrong, I agree and also disagree.... but you're all senior than me, so I gotta agree with it, you'll might be saying the right thing, though. [/quote]It happens all the time.

I've seen plenty of my mods featured in youtube compilation saves and you know what? All I feel is a sense of mirth. It's awesome. My shit is good enough people want to take credit for it, hilarious. My shitty Jeff Hardy and old Ricky Steamboat were stolen so many times I stopped keeping track.

So no. I don't give a shit, it's been happening to my mods for years. When you're awesome, it goes with the internet territory.

Anyone who does really care that much should get some vitamin D.

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[The NekoMancer]

Nobody steals CBV's mods cuz they suck jk.

This has been told over and over to people, particularly from the No Mercy community and they won't stop bitching.

So yeah, it's the most reasonable thing, but people won't understand.

 

[Swifty]

Thats just people lol and thats how internet works pretty much.

So wait, if someone uses textures that were ripped from a certain game would that still count as "stealing"? or is that okay?

 

[Deleted User]

Everyone does already. That's the point.

 

[TSK]

So, you must change the #1 rule of this forum. The rule isn't a rule, anymore.

 

[Deleted User]

Someone give Sultan an award for stating the obvious.

Sultan, we've gotten more than a few complaints of you acting like a staff to other members. Stop it.

 

[TSK]

I just pointed it out that the sig was made by a respected member of another Forum, and someone from here made another sig over it and didn't give credits+posted it here. (If the guy from the other forum sees it, think how he'll feel about OSR) Now, I don't have any problems as you andwe all noted the point, we're all stealers who mod games and don't give credits to the original owners.

 

[Wolfpac_69]

technically yeah, but most adults don't give a shit TBH as its non profitable, its not just the textures what if the guys who made the actual emulators said 'i don't want you to use my emulator' anyone who mods would be fucked, there is a level of time that people give up to create textures\hacks other than that, thats it's... nobody owns anything including the right to mod people how many versions of say john cena have been made? has anyone asked him if they can re create his likeness?? the answer is probably not... i firmly believe people should be credited for there 'time' spent but other than people whining about it there not a whole lot people can do about it

2014 people and the end of the day you can even re create mods people have already made Google is a wondrous thing you know


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sultan people don't steal they re create

 

[Deleted User]

What's funny is the Project 64 emulator is included in a lot of No Mercy saves, which violates the terms of use for it. Seriously.

 

[Wolfpac_69]

best shut down the modding forums then

 

[AKI Man]

Is it not funny how OSR's NM activity has picked up in recent months with new members trying modding ? Oh, yeah thats right we want this community to grow with new members and not have that asshole stigma "Other" forums carried on there backs. Not hating, just stating.

Also, before anyone tries to say I am being a jerk, its not that, I just think at OSR you will get a chance if you make a mistake.

 

[Swifty]

We don't have to shut down anything, everyday we get new members from different countries and different age but all have one goal, to one day be recognized as "No Mercy Modders".

They just don't know how things work, thinking that certain things are okay and permitted when they're actually not.

I just wanna say, we shouldn't shut the door on them but at the very least make them learn from their proper mistake, teach them the basics, we all start out as noobs.

 

[Wolfpac_69]

'shut it down' was my effort of sarcasm BTW... Epic fail is guess lol

 

[SLX]

I'm wholeheartedly behind this, and we should have done it ages ago.

A quick trip down memory lane for us old timers...You couldn't survive in the NMZ-community pre-2011 with your own forum (Such as my No Mercy Modstation)if you didn't follow the NMZ "rules". If you didn't, you'd have your forum hawked by NMZ spies to make sure you didn't post "stolen" textures, and have your board classed as 'shitty', 'a "B" board', ect. So basically, allowing free exchange of texture projects and information off the NMZ grid could sink your reputation. I'm glad we've moved beyond that monolithic era.

Psstt, honestly with NMZ gone, the community is back in the hands of the players, and out of the hands of the "elite" that towed the status quo.

Everyone who wanted to mod wanted in NMZ, and if they couldn't get in, most would give up. Without that board, the 3rd-party forums can actually see growth without NMZ scaring people off. OSR doesn't seem 2nd rate when NMZ no longer stands on the tip of the Mountain.

We've all moved on with our real, and internet lives, and I hold no grudges with ANYONE who I might have once thrown down the gauntlet with (Most are far and gone from the community anyway), but it just feels nice to say that i'm glad NMZ is dead and buried. Curse anyone who tries to resurrect that board instead of moving on and intergrating with other wrestling game communities. By trying to be NMZ, you will just keep that elitist asshole attitude around.

 

[Deleted User]

Oh, it's still around, and it's hilarious.

On the other hand, in the last three months I've seen more new people trying No Mercy than I have in quite some time. It's hot, again. And the loudest voices are those who are enthusiastic.

The more people that mod = the more mods we get to play with. The more people hacking and toying with this thing = the more fun everyone gets to have. We were the first place to completely open up our doors and kind of buck the "follow the rules of NMZ" stigma without suffering.

New day. New times. Fresh starts. I am the hopeful sort.

 

[SLX]

I'm sticking with WWE 13' Wii. I have it and 2k14 on PS3 but I prefer being able to mod. No mercy, as legendary as it was, has had is day and I prefer new tech. For me, 13' is near the embodiment of No Mercy on a current gen platform, and the Wii's degraded graphics dont' bother me, because thats the whole point lol. Praying for a new WWE pc game soon.

Before anyone berates me for wishful thinking, consider that the architecture of the PS4/XBone is x86. Not even the first-gen Xbox, the closest console to a computer we've had until now, ran x86. This is imporant because last-gen's desktop computers ran x86, also known as 32-bit code. Windows XP ran on 32-bit (x86) architecture. Both consoles run on 8-core AMD Jaguar CPU's around 2ghz per core. A quad core Haswell i5, such as mine, blows this out of the water in regards to clocks per cycle. Bottom line is that consoles will basically run on similar codepaths to native windows 32-bit apps, and may possibly be hacked to run on Windows. several teams are already working on ways to bypass emulation and decrypt these apps natively.

Point is that the new generation of console hardware works very similar to your desktop pc and you might be able to 'emulate' the next gen games in a form or another if your pc is up to it. This is also important, in regards to the OpenGL/Direct3D11 codepaths both consoles take, all that would be needed for a PC release is sufficient QA debugging and for the devs to compile the code to run natively on x86/x64.


TLDR Version:

Most anything I spent my time doing in No Mercy can be done in WWE 13', and if the new consoles get emulators because of the pc architecture, we may be able to mod them on next gen as well, whether they come out on pc or not.

 

[TheDarthFoundation]

Having been modding WWE games for a year, I covered every aspect to mod/hack the game(Making tools, doing mods, doing hacks, etc). I felt like I had conquered it, so I moved on. Here I am at No Mercy. I find modding for No Mercy quite a challenge since I'm not used to it. But it's fun as hell teaming up with guys like CBV and getting advice from guys like Jcsix and KWG. And with new 'way', it makes it easier for new guys like me to get started. Since I no longer mod WWE Games, peeps are free to use my textures, if they can get to 'em
Sharing is caring, biches.